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At [[the Denvention]], [[Milt Rothman | Rothman]] made a motion to the effect that Yngvi is not a louse, but it was defeated. A motion was then passed stating that Rothman was a louse.  
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At [[Denvention]], the 1941 [[Worldcon]], [[Milt Rothman]] made a motion to the effect that Yngvi is not a louse, but it was defeated. A motion was then passed stating that Rothman was a louse.  
  
 
[[File:Yngvi Isa Esuol.jpg|frame|right| '''The phrase makes an appearance in the 1973 Marvel [[comics|comic]] "The Death-Dealing Mannikin" by Kit Pearson and Tony Isabella, when a villain uses the incantation "YNGVI—ISA—ESUOL". The same story also mentions [[DYKTAWO]] as the name of a demon.''']]  
 
[[File:Yngvi Isa Esuol.jpg|frame|right| '''The phrase makes an appearance in the 1973 Marvel [[comics|comic]] "The Death-Dealing Mannikin" by Kit Pearson and Tony Isabella, when a villain uses the incantation "YNGVI—ISA—ESUOL". The same story also mentions [[DYKTAWO]] as the name of a demon.''']]  
At the [[2012 Worldcon]], [[Chicon 7]], a motion was made at the [[WSFS Business meeting]] that "Yngvi is ''not'' a louse". The p/e/r/p/e/t/r/a/t/o/r/s/ makers of the motion even conducted a small-scale campaign including [[ribbon]]s and bookmarks. In spite of that, the [[business meeting]] voted decisively against the motion, leaving poor Yngvi still a louse. Ribbons also appeared designating [[Deb Geisler]], [[Michael Benveniste]], and [[Geri Sullivan]], the makers of the motion, as '''lice''', although no motion making that claim was made.
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At the 2012 Worldcon, [[Chicon 7]], a motion was made at the [[WSFS Business meeting]] that "Yngvi is ''not'' a louse". The p/e/r/p/e/t/r/a/t/o/r/s/ makers of the motion even conducted a small-scale campaign including [[ribbon]]s and bookmarks. In spite of that, the business meeting voted decisively against the motion, leaving poor Yngvi still a louse. Ribbons also appeared designating [[Deb Geisler]], [[Michael Benveniste]], and [[Geri Sullivan]], the makers of the motion, as '''lice''', although no motion making that claim was made.
 
 
  
 
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([[L. Sprague de Camp | De Camp]]&[[Fletcher Pratt | Pratt]]) The only thing we are told about Yngvi is that when Harold Shea and Asa-Heimdall were in the dungeons of the Fire Giants in "The Roaring Trumpet", a little fellow came to the front of his cell every hour on the hour and yelled "Yngvi is a LOUSE!" The mystery has fascinated [[fandom]], and Yngvi has turned up in all sorts of places -- a statement as true today as when [[Speer]] wrote it fifteen years ago. Sometimes the statement that he is a louse is taken literally; sometimes Yngvi is confused with the little guy who didn't like him; once it was said that Yngvi is a [[Type Fifteen Fan]]. [[Elmer Perdue]] defended him/it gallantly during [[Third Fandom]] days, asserting by sticker and otherwise that "Yngvi is NOT a louse!" At [[the Denvention]], [[Milt Rothman | Rothman]] made a motion to the effect that Yngvi is not a louse, but it was defeated. A motion was then passed that [[Milt Rothman | Rothman]] is a louse. The matter was brought up again at the [[1950 Philco]] but ruled out of order by [[Sam Moskowitz | Moskowitz]], who misremembered that [[Milt Rothman | Rothman]]'s motion had carried. In 1958 [[Sandy Sanderson]] used "Yngvi" as [[ekename]] for a [[fan]] who'd been sending postcards to insurance companies advising them that [[Inchmeryites]] were good prospects, and getting salesmen to call.  
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([[L. Sprague de Camp|De Camp]]&[[Fletcher Pratt|Pratt]]) The only thing we are told about Yngvi is that when Harold Shea and Asa-Heimdall were in the dungeons of the Fire Giants in "The Roaring Trumpet", a little fellow came to the front of his cell every hour on the hour and yelled "Yngvi is a LOUSE!" The mystery has fascinated [[fandom]], and Yngvi has turned up in all sorts of places -- a statement as true today as when [[Jack Speer|Speer]] wrote it fifteen years ago. Sometimes the statement that he is a louse is taken literally; sometimes Yngvi is confused with the little guy who didn't like him; once it was said that Yngvi is a [[Type Fifteen Fan]]. [[Elmer Perdue]] defended him/it gallantly during [[Third Fandom]] days, asserting by sticker and otherwise that "Yngvi is NOT a louse!" At the [[Denvention]], [[Milt Rothman | Rothman]] made a motion to the effect that Yngvi is not a louse, but it was defeated. A motion was then passed that Rothman is a louse. The matter was brought up again at the [[1950 Philco]] but ruled out of order by [[Sam Moskowitz | Moskowitz]], who misremembered that Rothman's motion had carried. In 1958 [[Sandy Sanderson]] used "Yngvi" as [[ekename]] for a [[fan]] who'd been sending postcards to insurance companies advising them that [[Inchmeryites]] were good prospects, and getting salesmen to call.  
 
   
 
   
Research by your J Fiske turns up the fact that in Scandinavian legend (the background-mythos for "The Roaring Trumpet") the primordial gods Odin, Vili and Ve were the progenitors of (respectively) the Norse, German, and English races, and "Ing" or "Yng" means roughly "the people of __". Somebody like Col McCormick or another of the rabid English-haters who at the time TRT was written were making all possible capital out of the freshly-begun [[Second World War]] may have been the original of the little man in the phrase.  
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Research by your J Fiske turns up the fact that in [[Scandinavian]] legend (the background-[[mythos]] for "The Roaring Trumpet") the primordial gods Odin, Vili and Ve were the progenitors of (respectively) the Norse, German, and English races, and "Ing" or "Yng" means roughly "the people of __". Somebody like [https://www.britannica.com/biography/Robert-R-McCormick Col McCormick] or another of the rabid English-haters who at the time TRT was written were making all possible capital out of the freshly-begun [[Second World War]] may have been the original of the little man in the phrase.  
 
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([[de Camp]]) - The only thing we are told about Yngvi is that a little fellow in the Giant's prison of "The Roaring Trumpet" came to the front of his cell every hour on the hour and yelled "[[Yngvi Is a Louse!]]" The mystery has fascinated [[fandom]], and Yngvi turns up in all sorts of places. Frequently the statement that he is a louse is taken literally; sometimes Yngvi is confused with the little guy who didn't like him; and once it was said that Yngvi is a [[Type Fifteen Fan]]. [[Elmer Perdue]] has been the leading defender of him or it, asserting by stickers and otherwise that "Yngvi is NOT a louse!" At [[the Denvention]], [[Milt Rothman | Rothman]] made a motion to the effect that Yngvi is not a louse, but it was defeated. A motion was then passed stating that [[Milt Rothman| Rothman]] is a louse.  
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([[L. Sprague de Camp|de Camp]]) - The only thing we are told about Yngvi is that a little fellow in the Giant's prison of "The Roaring Trumpet" came to the front of his cell every hour on the hour and yelled "[[Yngvi Is a Louse!]]" The mystery has fascinated [[fandom]], and Yngvi turns up in all sorts of places. Frequently the statement that he is a louse is taken literally; sometimes Yngvi is confused with the little guy who didn't like him; and once it was said that Yngvi is a [[Type Fifteen Fan]]. [[Elmer Perdue]] has been the leading defender of him or it, asserting by stickers and otherwise that "Yngvi is NOT a louse!" At the [[Denvention]], [[Milt Rothman | Rothman]] made a motion to the effect that Yngvi is not a louse, but it was defeated. A motion was then passed stating that Rothman is a louse.  
 
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Revision as of 17:19, 28 March 2023

(Do you mean the Ackerman fanzine Yngvi or Yngvi Is a Louse! and Other Graffitos, Toni Weisskopf’s fanzine?)


Yngvi is a Louse!” is shouted each hour by a demented prisoner in Surt's dungeon in L. Sprague de Camp and Fletcher Pratt's novella "The Roaring Trumpet" (the start of the Harold Shea series), which was first published in the May 1940 issue of Unknown. No one knows what it might mean, or who Yngvi might be. It quickly became a fannish catchphrase, appearing as early as the June 1940 issue of Le Zombie.

As Eney notes below, the name Yngvi originates in Scandinavian mythology. E. R. Eddison used it in Mistress of Mistresses (1935):

Gondul and Skogul the Goths’-God sent 
   To choose of the kings,
Which of Yngvi’s line must with Odin fare, 
   In Valhall to won.

At Denvention, the 1941 Worldcon, Milt Rothman made a motion to the effect that Yngvi is not a louse, but it was defeated. A motion was then passed stating that Rothman was a louse.

The phrase makes an appearance in the 1973 Marvel comic "The Death-Dealing Mannikin" by Kit Pearson and Tony Isabella, when a villain uses the incantation "YNGVI—ISA—ESUOL". The same story also mentions DYKTAWO as the name of a demon.

At the 2012 Worldcon, Chicon 7, a motion was made at the WSFS Business meeting that "Yngvi is not a louse". The p/e/r/p/e/t/r/a/t/o/r/s/ makers of the motion even conducted a small-scale campaign including ribbons and bookmarks. In spite of that, the business meeting voted decisively against the motion, leaving poor Yngvi still a louse. Ribbons also appeared designating Deb Geisler, Michael Benveniste, and Geri Sullivan, the makers of the motion, as lice, although no motion making that claim was made.

From Fancyclopedia 2, ca. 1959
(De Camp&Pratt) The only thing we are told about Yngvi is that when Harold Shea and Asa-Heimdall were in the dungeons of the Fire Giants in "The Roaring Trumpet", a little fellow came to the front of his cell every hour on the hour and yelled "Yngvi is a LOUSE!" The mystery has fascinated fandom, and Yngvi has turned up in all sorts of places -- a statement as true today as when Speer wrote it fifteen years ago. Sometimes the statement that he is a louse is taken literally; sometimes Yngvi is confused with the little guy who didn't like him; once it was said that Yngvi is a Type Fifteen Fan. Elmer Perdue defended him/it gallantly during Third Fandom days, asserting by sticker and otherwise that "Yngvi is NOT a louse!" At the Denvention, Rothman made a motion to the effect that Yngvi is not a louse, but it was defeated. A motion was then passed that Rothman is a louse. The matter was brought up again at the 1950 Philco but ruled out of order by Moskowitz, who misremembered that Rothman's motion had carried. In 1958 Sandy Sanderson used "Yngvi" as ekename for a fan who'd been sending postcards to insurance companies advising them that Inchmeryites were good prospects, and getting salesmen to call.

Research by your J Fiske turns up the fact that in Scandinavian legend (the background-mythos for "The Roaring Trumpet") the primordial gods Odin, Vili and Ve were the progenitors of (respectively) the Norse, German, and English races, and "Ing" or "Yng" means roughly "the people of __". Somebody like Col McCormick or another of the rabid English-haters who at the time TRT was written were making all possible capital out of the freshly-begun Second World War may have been the original of the little man in the phrase.

From Fancyclopedia 1, ca. 1944
(de Camp) - The only thing we are told about Yngvi is that a little fellow in the Giant's prison of "The Roaring Trumpet" came to the front of his cell every hour on the hour and yelled "Yngvi Is a Louse!" The mystery has fascinated fandom, and Yngvi turns up in all sorts of places. Frequently the statement that he is a louse is taken literally; sometimes Yngvi is confused with the little guy who didn't like him; and once it was said that Yngvi is a Type Fifteen Fan. Elmer Perdue has been the leading defender of him or it, asserting by stickers and otherwise that "Yngvi is NOT a louse!" At the Denvention, Rothman made a motion to the effect that Yngvi is not a louse, but it was defeated. A motion was then passed stating that Rothman is a louse.



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