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(CanCy almost certainly wrong WO3W active in 1940s; also untenable Eney/Fancy2 would declare this noun. +links)
 
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To '''''croggle''''' is to amaze and awe or discombobulate and confound or to become so.  '''''Croggled''''' describes the resulting state of mind.  
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To '''''croggle''''' is to amaze and awe or discombobulate and confound (or to go through such a process).  '''''Croggled''''' describes the resulting state of mind. The form ''becroggle(d)'', perhaps after ''bewildered'' etc., has also been used.
  
===Origins===
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The term was invented and developed in the course of the [[WO3W]] [[correspondence]] between [[U.S.]] [[fans]] [[Dean Grennell]], [[Redd Boggs]] and [[Robert Silverberg]] circa early 1950s.  
The term was invented and developed in the course of the [[WO3W]] [[correspondence]] between [[U.S.]] [[fans]] [[Dean Grennell]], [[Redd Boggs]] and [[Robert Silverberg]] circa late 1940s or early 1950s.  
 
  
The [[scientificombination]]’s precise etymology and definition then was disputed. [[Dick Eney]]'s [[Fancyclopedia II]] states that ''croggle'' combines the words ''crush'' and ''goggle'', although Grennell said it is a combination of ''crumble'' and ''joggle''. Eney implied it is a noun, one which describes the state of having been "shocked into momentary physical or mental paralysis".
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This [[scientificombination]]’s precise etymology was then disputed. [[Dick Eney]]'s ''[[Fancyclopedia II]]'' stated that ''croggle'' combines the words ''crush'' and ''goggle'' (grammar purists will also note he gave definition in terms of adjective/participle, so actually equal to ''croggled'', despite the disparity of the headword ''CROGGLE'' clearly being the infinitive), although Grennell said it is a combination of ''crumble'' and ''joggle''. Silverberg later recalled that it was comprised of ''crush'' and "''boggle'', not ''goggle''".
  
[[Harry Warner, Jr.]], on the other hand, in his ''[[A Wealth of Fable]]'' (first version published 1976, but bear in mind Warner's career in [[fandom]] began much earlier than Eney's) declared ''croggle'' "is normally a verb signifying intense disturbance of a subjective nature."
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On the other hand [[Harry Warner, Jr.]] in ''[[A Wealth of Fable]]'' (first version 1976, but bear in mind Warner's career in [[fandom]] began much earlier than Eney's; still, both predated ''croggle'') declared ''croggle'' "is normally a verb signifying intense disturbance of a subjective nature."
 
 
Silverberg later recalled that it was comprised of ''crush'' and "''boggle'', not ''goggle.''"
 
  
 
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* See also: [[crottled greeps]] if only for the euphony (but coined by Grennell 1953!)
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* https://sfdictionary.com/view/441/croggle , with citations, by [[Jesse Sheidlower]] et al.
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** https://sfdictionary.com/view/430/croggled
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** [https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803095648888 Same termterm] in the venerable ''Oxford Reference''
  
 
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Latest revision as of 17:41, 12 August 2024

To croggle is to amaze and awe or discombobulate and confound (or to go through such a process). Croggled describes the resulting state of mind. The form becroggle(d), perhaps after bewildered etc., has also been used.

The term was invented and developed in the course of the WO3W correspondence between U.S. fans Dean Grennell, Redd Boggs and Robert Silverberg circa early 1950s.

This scientificombination’s precise etymology was then disputed. Dick Eney's Fancyclopedia II stated that croggle combines the words crush and goggle (grammar purists will also note he gave definition in terms of adjective/participle, so actually equal to croggled, despite the disparity of the headword CROGGLE clearly being the infinitive), although Grennell said it is a combination of crumble and joggle. Silverberg later recalled that it was comprised of crush and "boggle, not goggle".

On the other hand Harry Warner, Jr. in A Wealth of Fable (first version 1976, but bear in mind Warner's career in fandom began much earlier than Eney's; still, both predated croggle) declared croggle "is normally a verb signifying intense disturbance of a subjective nature."

From Fancyclopedia 2, ca. 1959
(Grennell) Roughly meaning shocked into momentary physical or mental paralysis; a portmanteau-word, apparently, combining "crushed" and "goggled", and usually passive or reflexive in application.

Fanspeak 1950s
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